Modalists teach that the "human Jesus" had no pre-existence before the incarnation! Rev 5:13 "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.". What would be absurd or impossible for an ordinary man is not so strange with Jesus. Modalism is the denial of the Trinity and the affirmation that instead God exists as just one eternal person who takes on three different "modes" or "roles" as He relates to creation at different times. Although they treasured the Gospel of John, Montanism tended to undermine traditional authorities such as Holy Scripture and the office of the bishop. "We are not to suppose, however, that the human Jesus was not different from other people, for only He was born by the Holy Ghost. The struggle between divine and human wills is reavealing! ", How could the human spirit of Jesus claim pre-existence before Abraham? Jesus always taught that the Father and Him were in TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. Jesus is at the Right Hand Of Himself. Does this imply the Holy Ghost is another person in the Godhead? Generally most reference to UPC are from, "The Oneness Of God", David K. Bernard, 1956, ISBN 0-912315-12-1. In John 6:38 Jesus said, "I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." Jesus "sat down" on the right hand of God (as in Hebrews 10:12) instead of simply saying He is at the right hand of God (as in Romans 8:34) UPC. God was His immediate Father. More troubling is how could the human spirit of Jesus claim to be the "I AM" of Ex 3:14? If Modalism was true, then Jesus would not "go to be with the Father" HE WOULD CHANGE MODES AND BECOME THE FATHER! They take the identical "logos-theology" view that the Christadelphians teach! Montanism was an apocalyptic and prophetic movement within Christianity that started around the late second century. This helps support the view that in this text three distinct individual persons are being spoken of: ...in the name of the (tou) Father and the (kai tou) Son, and the (kai tou) Holy Spirit. Both deny the actual eternal co-existence of the Son of God and the Holy Spirit. Modalism and Sabellianism are synonymous terms used to describe this false doctrine on the nature of God. Montanists, since the second century, have held heretical views of the Holy Spirit. In this way, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are considered titles pertaining to the one God, not descriptions of distinct individuals. Jn 16:19 So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. UPC, "The term Son refers to the Incarnation. They feel the only alternative is Arianism. To say the distinction is merely between spirit and flesh is as ridiculous as a person walking around calling himself "we" in reference to his human spirit and body. Cyprian and others claimed these Modalists were Patripassians); Sabellius denied that he was a Patripassian. They came from a strict monotheistic Jewish background. UPC, "When we see a plural in relation to God, we must view it as a plurality of roles or relationships to mankind, not a plurality of persons." What is clear and obvious is that Modalism is false doctrine that cannot explain away the clear meaning of Bible verses! UPC views the KJV as God's perfect translation. The United Pentecostal Church has a reputation of forcing its members into blindly towing the "party line" under the threat of disfellowship, do not allow their members the freedom of independent thinking. In order to explain away the most obvious distinction in the three members of the God (trinity) they invent one of the most unbiblical and just plain silly doctrines known on earth, namely that Jesus had two spirits: 1. the eternal divine spirit of God 2. the human spirit of a man. Just before these verses, Jesus had said, "I am the light of the world" (verse 12). In fact Jn 1:29 throws Modalism into a tail spin because THE MAN Jesus did not exist before John, except in the mind of God. The terms Father and Son are then used to describe the distinction between the transcendence of God and the incarnation (God in immanence). We might have guessed that Modalists in the United Pentecostal church would make the two witnesses of Jn 8:16: first witness: the divine spirit of Jesus. "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.". Jesus went to heaven in His glorified body so He could form a new relationship with His disciples, by sending back His own Spirit as the Comforter. Clearly, then, these passages allude to the union with God that the Son of God had and that we can enjoy by believing and obeying the gospel." Theologian and church historian Adolf von Harnack first used the term modalism to describe a doctrine believed in the late 2nd century and 3rd century. Just as ONE man can be called by different people, a "husband", a "son" and a "father", so too the one God can be called the "Father", "Son" & "Holy Spirit". UPC, "Jesus is both Father (divine) and Son (Human)" UPC, "one can speak of the pre-existent Christ since the Spirit of Christ is God Himself. The Father sent the Holy Spirit? No separation of persons in the Godhead was necessary for this. Much of prayer is merely talking to God! The movement spread far beyond Asia Minor, reaching Rome where Bishop Eleutherus excommunicated the Montanists. Is the Holy Spirit guilty of irresponsibly leading us to this natural human conclusion? Historically, Sabellius described his teaching of Modalism in the following ways. Just like H2O can be water, vapour or ice and be the identical substance, so too with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. "In John 17:21-22, Jesus, speaking as a man, did not state that He is the Father. UPC. Montanists followed a very strict discipline, which sometimes included seeking martyrdom. As Commodian said, "The Father went into the Son, one God everywhere." UPC. So They can't even make any sense of their own false doctrine! UPC. Montanism sought a forced continuance of the miraculous gifts of the apostolic church, which gradually disappeared as Christianity became settled in humanity. Whose initiative is the Holy Spirit speaking from? The title Father never alludes to humanity, while Son does. They view the Son of God, our saviour as just a man who had no more pre-existence before his birth than us! A conversation can be held between equals, but an omnipotent person does not need to pray for help from an equal. What heresy! How could the human spirit of Jesus, who had no pre-existence before the virgin birth, have said these things? Jesus going to be with the Father and sends Himself back as the Mode of the Holy Spirit back to earth. Think of God as a "shape shifter" that can change His form into three different shapes or modes! To make this imply a plurality of persons in God would necessitate a change in the definition of God in the middle of the verse." UPC's look at Jn 10:30 "I and the Father are one." Modalism is a complicated and confusing doctrine full of contradictions with both the Bible and itself. "Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. In otherwords, first God thought up the Son, then He thought up John the Baptist. Of course Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons and 7th day Adventists make the same claims of the Holy Spirit's guiding them! By this they meant the Son, the man Jesus, suffered and died The Father, the Spirit of God within Jesus, could not have suffered or died in any physical sense but yet He must have been affected by or have participated in the suffering of the flesh. Just as John uses a metaphor of Jesus=Word in the book of John. Jn 16:13-15 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.". "Furthermore, if God in John 1:1 means God the Father, then the Word is not a separate person for the verse would then read, "The Word was with the Father and the Word was the Father." Egg illustration: Whereas, Trinity views God either as one egg with three parts (white, yolk and shell) or as three separate eggs, Modalists view God as one whole egg with three different names at different times. The text of any prayers of Jesus, Modalists are forced to accept as originating from the human spirit of Jesus, these we would colour BLUE! The problem here is that the Human Jesus DID NOT COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN!!! and say, "See! As the Son of God Jesus offered His own human body and His own earthly blood to God." Generally most reference to UPC are from, "The Oneness Of God", David K. Bernard, 1956, ISBN 0-912315-12-1, "This is called the indiscernibility of identicals. This is not what the Trinity is. God the Son was revealed in the flesh, while God the Father remained in heaven who sent Jesus! Will originates from spirit not flesh. Jesus talked to God and God talked to Jesus It went both ways! UPC, More heresy and false UPC doctrine! Catholics invented the false doctrine of the Immaculate conception of Mary to over come the problem. God's Spirit in the Body of a man! He did not teach His own (human Jesus) commandments, but taught and kept the Father's (divine Jesus) commandments (John 12:49-50; 15:10). To say the distinction is between spirit and flesh is misleading because flesh cannot pray or talk or think. In other words, both God the Father and the man Jesus could testify that the Father was manifested in flesh, in Jesus. The United Pentecostal churches view of the Son of God is complete heresy! The only distinction is between humanity and divinity, not between God and God." Modalism, as taught by the United Pentecostal Church, views Jesus as having no pre-existence before his incarnation into Mary. The problem is that they have confused the Mode of God the Son with the human spirit of Jesus AND ACCORDING TO MODALISTS THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS! UPC. Jesus was merely a plan in God's mind and didn't really exist! Modalism, with the two spirits in one body of Jesus, just won't work here. To state early Christians didn't believe in the "trinity" is to assume the point to be proved! "In conclusion the Bible does not record conversations between persons of the Godhead, but between the human and divine natures. (1 Cor 15:27-28) "'All things are put in subjection,' it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. As we will clearly see below, the Father Son and Holy Spirit are different in many ways more than just in name! Modalism, also called Sabellianism, is the unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. So the Word was with God in the sense of belonging to God and not in the sense of a separate person besides God." So God might manifest himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but still be only one person. 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